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Wow, terrific stuff. I couldn't agree more. Particularly like your emphasis on specificity - for the audience, the product and the business objectives. Amazing how often you'll find these gaping leaps of logic in briefs and around boardroom tables. "Then we'll turn engagement into business through magic!"

Totally agree, Scott - the other logic leap that drives me crazy is - "let's get more Facebook fans and hey presto the business will go up" WTF?

Good article.

I do agree on the main points. Yes, engagement is very flawed and often misused. It’s not an all-encompassing tool that allows a decisive, objective declaration of advertising/website/campaign performance. It’s definition isn’t uniform across campaigns, never mind the whole industry. Engagement is often abused to tell a story it’s unable to tell.

But should we bury it altogether?

The point of measuring engagement isn’t to understand the behavior or reception of certain media by an individual. Rather, measuring engagement is using the strongest statistically correlated segments of a campaign over a large population to draw conclusion as to how well that campaign is achieving business goals (sales, awareness, etc.). It cannot be compared side-by-side to other campaigns (as the definition of engagement changes); however, it can be compared to itself over time. It’s a truly statistical metric – it tells you association, not causation.

That’s where, I think, the value lies in measuring engagement.

I almost agree, Connor!

But if 'engagement' is meaningless as a metric, then we cannot measure it.

However, we CAN set aside the generalizing, and focus on measuring those things that matter to our business issue, brand, audience, comms model, and desired responses.

Which I think is your point.

I just wouldn't call it 'engagement'. I'd call it measuring the specific things that matter to a given specific piece of activity...

Great piece of brainfood here. But as we (digital agencies) are erroneusly reporting eyeballs (likes, impressions, fans and what not) as a success measure of our campains, how can we correct this behaviour? Maybe using another set of performance indicators as actual purchasing intention or coupon redeeming (based on Les Binet's finding about penetration campaigns performance versus loyalty campaigns) would make digital campaigns more accountable and less of a "engagement" fairy tale.
BTW, you have an excellent blog here, I'm an avid reader of your material. Thanks for sharing.

Show off.

But I'm only saying that because I'm jealous at how awesome it is.

Long but great stuff.
I agree with most of it.

"the Seth Godin" made me laugh too.

Brilliant. Especially when I can think of one major drinks brand which prioritises 'participation' above all - tempting just to send this post along.

As a young man without a TV, whose friends don't own TVs, I was ready to take issue about the stats and declare them skewed toward a silvering generation. But, my friends and I are early non-adopters: http://www.marketingcharts.com/direct/tv-remains-dominant-video-viewing-device-18755/nielsen-tv-usage-q2-2011-monthly-time-spent-by-gender-aug11gif/

Wonderful article. But, while I understand the importance of a reaction against Fan obsession, these Fans do see Page posts in their news feeds, regardless of whether or not they have ever commented on anything. Accumulating Likes is like increasing subscriptions to direct mail. (Of course, it's our responsibility to send letters that will increase sales.) Or have I misread your assertion that content from Liked Pages is invisible to non-commentators?

Thanks, Evan,

With regard to your question about Facebook feeds, you're only right if you've gone in and adjusted your default settings..

"On the New Facebook, the Settings for the News Feed is set to show only posts from people who you’ve recently interacted with or interacted the most with"

http://techattitude.com/tips-tricks-and-hacks/change-your-facebook-news-feed-settings-to-see-all-updates/

The majority of people however will not have adjusted these settings so I think my point still stands... Hope that clarifies!

Good points Martin,

The noble "art of persuasion" (I much prefer that from interruption) certainly still is important, and the "art of engagement" surely isn't the universal answer to all problems, both play a significant role in the consumer journey of decision-making.

But let's not kill something as important as the very notion of our business actually being able to help companies create powerful social objetcs, that gives them a role in the booming eco-system of engagement that is social media and beyond, just because a few persons are misusing the term with either vested interest or ignorance.

Hey Casper,

I'm no fan of persuasion either - but that's for another post!

I'm certainly not against us participating in social media, and wouldn't want to kill that notion.

But you write of "the booming eco-system of engagement". The problem is that I have NO idea what you mean when you use the word 'engagement'. You could mean anything. And that's one of its major drawbacks. More than a little ironic given that we're meant to be in the business of communication!

Wonderful stuff, I read this shortly after reading the case study on your Heineken work in Contagious 28 - especially the bit about the iPhone app your agency created.

I'm still halfway through and reading between doing other things (goodness - I'm not fully engaged!) but wanted to say point #3 hit the spot.

It irks me when clients that aren't particularly the sort people go out looking for (as someone once said "Do you want to be friends with your yogurt on Facebook?") come back and say 'We didn't get that many likes! People don't enjoy our content! But we're trying so hard!' when they've not made a clear distinction between 'their world' and what interests a, say, yogurt producer ("Our yogurt now has 51% blueberries instead of 31%!"), and everyone else's world plus its worries ("Will it make my stomach act funny? Did I leave the hob on? Who stole my ham from the fridge at work?!"). No, of course people won't be super-excited at the 'news' and in some cases, even with their best efforts - it just doesn't work the same for everyone. Some product categories happen to have lots of (vocal) people with very strong opinions. I thought the Twinings kerfuffle was interesting. People might not get as hot and bothered about their winter tyres.

Also elevant to your no. 3 and engagement being an intermediate metric, there was a quote whose source I forget now - that when Like & the social graph and the +1 buttons appeared, it was an intermediate measure that showed not just what people looked at, but what they liked. Beyond that, it means pretty much nothing.

I did a focus group once when 'Like' was just launched and towards the end, off the script, I asked people about using 'like' as a substitute for real interaction with friends. This 25-year-old woman said that if people liked her photos, it was a bit like someone saying hello if they saw her down the street. And that she 'likes' a lot of stuff - baby photos, other people's misfortunes ("Left my phone on the car bonnet this morning") and her flatmate's cat page on Facebook. How charming - wish I had some clients listening to that, for all these 'likes' they think represent engagement.


Pah.


Going to finish reading now.

Martin,

Failed communication set aside :-) and in respect for your wish to skip the word, misuse & jargon, more that it's actual meaning?

I believe the most important use of engagement as a term and method, is applying it as the lens to the development of communication that caters for different levels of consumer involvement referencing "The Forrester Ladder", "1/9/90 rule" etc., which seems to have informed many of the best integrated efforts (not least you brilliant "Write The Future" work)

I also truly believe that the best way for companies to find a relevant place within social media, is to treat it, as an eco-system of engagement, with a meaningful value exchange between brand and community. With the right dose of value creation and value harvesting - back & forth. Where engagement happens through content & conversations as the epicentre.

Speaking of metrics I agree it's a more crooked picture, I think we could still benefit from a more standardised measurement system (though I think there are good thinking within this field encompassing the "level of engagement" structure). But off-course still treating it as an intermediary, as you so rightly state.

To be honest I fucking hate words like 'engagement' ... just like I loathe the way the communication industry throws around terms like 'awareness', 'cut-through', 'loyalty', 'creative' - and to a certain degree - 'effectiveness'.

They overuse them like they're some hormone ravaged male, desperately declaring his 'love' to any girl he meets in a bid/hope to get lucky. Ultimately it's all meaningless, designed to make the person using them feel better about what they're not doing rather than what they could be or should be.

And then to make it all worse - half these terms get defined by marketers so it suits their criteria which is always a diluted version of real life ... meaning all they're doing is kidding themselves about how engaging, creative and cut through they are being, meaning that in many cases the public and the shareholders are the biggest losers in it all.

I think you've hit the nail on the head. Or in the face.

Stephen King managed to avoid the use of marketing jargon his whole career. His papers are a shining example of clarity, precision and elegance. There's not a buzzword in sight. Just good English that clearly communicated.

If only more of marketingland aspired to that...

What a great piece. Beautifully written, well researched, full of solid thinking. One of the best I have read in a while and a 5 minute (ok, like 45 minutes) master class in advertising.
Well done.

Thank you, Flavio, that's super kind. I'm campaigning for the return of long copy!!

Martin, your article got me thinking about the industry's new folk belief that digital=engagement=good. While I would be happy to scatter another band of buzzword worshipers, some digital products might uniquely offer engagement's actual meaning–attention occupation. Consequently, denotative rigor could advance clarity better than outright desertion.

As you pointed out, a frightening percentage of the population watches television, and its economies of scale make it an attractive medium, not as an usher to sales, but a gatekeeper of eyeballs–another intermediary. But, as timeshifted TV gains popularity, one thing becomes clear: the audience avoids commercials; advertisers have no guarantee that all 3 million House watchers are equally enraptured by its sponsors' messages.

In contrast, unique YouTube views and non-bounce unique page visits boast surer guarantees for cognitive "engagement." Under a definition like "ensured attention," engagement measured by unique views would provide content creators (not banner advertisers) with numbers that mean more than prime-time ratings. Television CPM rates reference a set of people who might not have went to the bathroom, grabbed a snack, discussed plot with a friend, or scanned Facebook updates on their mobile phones during the commercial break. YouTube views, prolonged page visits, (and maybe impressions statistics–someday) can construct CPM rates for viewers that are actually paying attention, or "engaging" with discrete content.

Of course, the word "engagement" might be inseparable from its balloon of vacuous connotations. I do think, however, that the folk belief contains some folk wisdom, and that some of the internet's exclusive measurement capabilities deserve a title.

Any suggestions?

*BTW: the argument for increasing market share over loyalty is gorgeous and enlightening. Do you know if data ever supported the apparently worthless 80/20 loyalty heuristic?

Liking the cut of your jib Martin.

I'm a planner working for TV broadcasters in the UK. We're deconstructing the word 'engagement' from both sides of the fence here -
1. how to measure digital activity from a marketing perspective - i.e. understanding how digital shizzle drives TV viewership (and in turn fuels the incumbent TV publisher business model)
2. also looking at how we harness it to invent new revenue streams altogether (e.g. MTV - how do they make money out of 28 million 'likes' on Facebook - how do you turn a large social media footprint into a saleable asset?)

In the latter instance, a catch-all term like 'engagement' is actually useful as a sales device for the channel sales team given the demand for it (albeit fueled by the social media snake oil merchants in marketing blog/ conference land).

I'm not saying this is a good thing, just that in some sectors who can literally 'sell' the word "engagement" (rightly or wrongly), there currently appears to be some pseudo- value in it right now (often working as a foil for smaller TV channels to talk down BARB audience share data and talk up a highly 'engaged' but smaller digital fanbase).

Clearly though this is only a short term fix for the TV industry until we (advert people) sort our sh1t out.

What a great reminder to how ridiculous the business (or should I say circus) of advertising has become.

Our industry had it easy for far too long. Instead of being accountable for growing our clients' business, we've turned intermediate measurements into proof that we have done our job. ("There you go Mr client...50,000 shiny new fans…now here's the check").

This is all very convenient for agencies. Why bother figuring out a way to impact sales when you can easily get paid for clicks?

The real issue though is that we began believing our own bullshit. What started as an agency sales pitch to convince clients that 'we are the advertising agency for the 21st. century' is now being celebrated as bona fide advertising theory.

Asaf,
Don't get me wrong, one of the joys of this business IS that it's a circus. That's half the fun. It's just that occasionally we need to remind ourselves that is IS a circus!

Hey Tim,

I'm going to start using the expression "digital shizzle" from now on!

Your part of the biz isn't alone in attempting to hijack engagement as a sales tool...

Dear Martin, please tell me - from your point of view - what is the value of social media for marketers of mass market brands? if loyalty isn't a good objective and social media reaches not enough people for reach...
Do you know a social/digital case where a stringent cause n effect chain from those activities to actual profitable sales has been proven or at least seems plausible?
Many thanks indeed

Great post, Martin. I've tried to address some of the same subjects in our blog (in Spanish, sorry): http://substance.st/2010/10/07/engagement-es-el-nuevo-click.php

But I like your arguments better :)

Regarding what you mention about engagement not being new, I was reminded of something Brian Eno said about "interactive art" —he said that all art was interactive, at least in a cognitive way. Or words to that effect.

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